Good article, but I’m not clear on why you stop short of the obvious conclusion. There is going to be an increase in suicides. For the reasons you lay out. MAP guidelines exist for a reason, to address the partially socially contagious nature or suicide. They were repeatedly violated by organisations with a lot of media reach and the messages were successfully delivered to vulnerable kids.
When absolutely all the conditions are there for a thing to happen, the thing will happen.
Didn't that study from Tavistock also report that 1 kid died from the sex mutilation surgery? Meaning you'd be MORE likely to die if you received services. I swear this stuff is so categorically unhinged that I think I must be hallucinating half the time.
It’s really not surprising that the trans supporters always lie about the rates of suicides a lung transplant kids, since they lie about everything else. They lie all the time!
“It we be the reporters and NGO‘s, who have blood on their hands.“.
What you point out here in this article is so very important in the big picture of this scandal. My own child has used the threat against me and,
fortunately at the time, I did know to shut that down, but she and all of the others trapped in this abusive ideology, believe it. Even my other children, all in their older teens years, believe it. The schools irresponsibly push it. It is part of what Abigail Schrier has discovered. Too much mental health focus is causing iatrogenic harm. Thank you for this research on guidelines and the violations of them.
"T" was added to "LGBQIAetc.," against our will, so please do not repeat that lineup of lies. I always say, "might as well add KKK."
Lesbians were in the forefront of fighting the trans cult from the beginning. I was writing and protesting since 1973 in the Lesbian newspaper I worked on, as well as at the West Coast Lesbian Conference in 1973. We wrote about it in our book, "Dykes-Loving-Dykes" that we published in 1990. I have gotten rape, mutilation, and death threats, and am still being stalked by the man who went after me when I was 17 and is still stalking me, yet he is supported in my community.
Lesbians were our own community for decades, but would do marches and demonstrations with gay men. There was no B, T, Q, etc. listed, but our history is being erased and re-written. These primarily het men have taken over almost every organization and space we had, including our Dyke Marches. Please don't help them by giving them our name.
Ben, thanks for all this. But I think it's important to note that many LGB people do not wish to be associated with T (and Q+++) and wish the T had never been glued onto LGB in the first place. LBGs have achieved many of our goals (e.g. gay marriage) and now want to live in peace and quiet.
The activities, claims ('transwomen are women') and demands of TRAs (trans rights activists) have been damaging to LGB people. The LGB-without-the-T among us do NOT want children to be told they are born in the wrong body and we are appalled by trans-identified males claiming to be lesbians. It is true that some LGBs support gender ieodlogy but many do not and it is important to make that distinction.
"LBGs have achieved many of our goals (e.g. gay marriage) and now want to live in peace and quiet."
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
At a time when the Trevor Project claims there are 100 each of sexual orientations and gender identities, the trans-queer industrial complex wants to disappear lesbians and gay men behind the hegemonic label "queer." I'm not having it, nor are millions of gay men and lesbians, especially those of us old enough to have been out in the 70s. We are here, yes, but we are NOT queer. Also, we do not "identify as" gay or lesbian. We ARE gay or lesbian.
As a former sissy boy who grew up to be a masculine gay man, I do NOT want to see gender nonconforming children who are very likely going to be gay or lesbian having their future sexuality sacrificed to the cult of gender identity. It makes me furious when those credulous and so very sincere trans allies work themselves into a lather over the fate of those poor "trans kids." It is the other way around. It's those of us in the LGB-without-the-T tribe who are heartbroken over the fate of sissies and tomboys who fall into the clutches of zealous trans allies.
The Trevor Project has some sort of algorithmic arrangement with Google. Any YouTube video that includes a discussion of "gender identity" in youth gets a nice little message right underneath to remind the viewer that "Conversion therapy refers to a range of dangerous and discredited practices aimed at changing one's sexual orientation or gender identity or expression." It's most visible in desktop. See Malcolm Clarke's recent interview with Andrew Gold for an example.
Oh wow. That is incredibly disturbing and not surprising. That ‘algorithmic arrangement’ is likely playing a very large role in spreading such bad information and social contagion. I hope that that gets revealed in and of itself as a scandal one day.
Sometimes it seems that if the teens are so obsessed with the way they dress, their hair and makeup etc, they need to get a hobby, get their minds off of this subject. No wonder they are depressed. Imagine waking up every day knowing they have to dedicate a lot of time and energy to present themselves by looks, speech etc and that in the course of the day they will fail several times because they are pretending to be what they are not. The irony is that they have convinced themselves that the fake persona is who they really are. That is a living a lie.
When they are bullied by this choice to the point of suicidal thoughts, they could undo the whole sham by really being themselves, if they had the support they needed.
Here is the passage. I commented on his post twice but he deleted my comment:
Turban: 'The company told its users (3 billion on Facebook alone) that bullying LGBT people is acceptable. Roughly 1:3 LGBT kids report being bullied in the past year. And this leads to dramatically elevated rates of suicide attempts. By normalizing bullying, Meta is ensuring that these suicidality rates intensify. And vulnerable kids and their families are going to pay the price.'
Thank you for this well-written and well-researched piece. As someone who works in mental health, I'm dismayed to see activist groups use discussions of suicide for political gain. At the very least, it's crass and manipulative. Beyond that is the impact that the groups' messaging has on vulnerable young people. Essentially, what's being communicated is that if government passes any measures that can be perceived as "anti-trans", suicide should be a normal and expectable response. This results in these young people becoming more fragile, as they are led to believe that the world is against them and that they cannot withstand any setbacks or disappointments. Your points about resilience are particularly key here. The best way for these groups to help children is to encourage them to become MORE resilient, to give them a sense of efficacy in navigating challenges and disappointments.
"In August 2017, the Movement Advancement Project (MAP), a nonprofit think tank, published the second addition of its messaging guide, Talking About Suicide & LGBT"
I could've sworn the same indigo blob also told us MAP is acronym for "Minors Attracted Person".
I so appreciate the clarity and heartfelt exasperation with the coverage of this as click bait for organizations trying to raise funds for their own purposes.
The kids I know who have been lauded and affirmed over and over still ended up in the ER and psych ward over and over. It hasn’t fixed the underlying monster in the closet.
Not to be flippant, but we used to call it teen angst and listen to goth or metal bands and dye their black. The dye would wash out eventually, thought the music taste stuck.
Good article, but I’m not clear on why you stop short of the obvious conclusion. There is going to be an increase in suicides. For the reasons you lay out. MAP guidelines exist for a reason, to address the partially socially contagious nature or suicide. They were repeatedly violated by organisations with a lot of media reach and the messages were successfully delivered to vulnerable kids.
When absolutely all the conditions are there for a thing to happen, the thing will happen.
Didn't that study from Tavistock also report that 1 kid died from the sex mutilation surgery? Meaning you'd be MORE likely to die if you received services. I swear this stuff is so categorically unhinged that I think I must be hallucinating half the time.
https://williamaferguson.substack.com/p/aint-i-a-woman
It’s really not surprising that the trans supporters always lie about the rates of suicides a lung transplant kids, since they lie about everything else. They lie all the time!
Thank you! This is just the information I have been looking for in order to say something back to the repeated false claim about suicide.
A helpfully informative post, for which many thanks
“It we be the reporters and NGO‘s, who have blood on their hands.“.
What you point out here in this article is so very important in the big picture of this scandal. My own child has used the threat against me and,
fortunately at the time, I did know to shut that down, but she and all of the others trapped in this abusive ideology, believe it. Even my other children, all in their older teens years, believe it. The schools irresponsibly push it. It is part of what Abigail Schrier has discovered. Too much mental health focus is causing iatrogenic harm. Thank you for this research on guidelines and the violations of them.
"T" was added to "LGBQIAetc.," against our will, so please do not repeat that lineup of lies. I always say, "might as well add KKK."
Lesbians were in the forefront of fighting the trans cult from the beginning. I was writing and protesting since 1973 in the Lesbian newspaper I worked on, as well as at the West Coast Lesbian Conference in 1973. We wrote about it in our book, "Dykes-Loving-Dykes" that we published in 1990. I have gotten rape, mutilation, and death threats, and am still being stalked by the man who went after me when I was 17 and is still stalking me, yet he is supported in my community.
Lesbians were our own community for decades, but would do marches and demonstrations with gay men. There was no B, T, Q, etc. listed, but our history is being erased and re-written. These primarily het men have taken over almost every organization and space we had, including our Dyke Marches. Please don't help them by giving them our name.
https://keepingreallesbianfeminismsimple.wordpress.com/2018/08/23/transgender-simplified-by-bev-jo/
Ben, thanks for all this. But I think it's important to note that many LGB people do not wish to be associated with T (and Q+++) and wish the T had never been glued onto LGB in the first place. LBGs have achieved many of our goals (e.g. gay marriage) and now want to live in peace and quiet.
The activities, claims ('transwomen are women') and demands of TRAs (trans rights activists) have been damaging to LGB people. The LGB-without-the-T among us do NOT want children to be told they are born in the wrong body and we are appalled by trans-identified males claiming to be lesbians. It is true that some LGBs support gender ieodlogy but many do not and it is important to make that distinction.
"LBGs have achieved many of our goals (e.g. gay marriage) and now want to live in peace and quiet."
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
At a time when the Trevor Project claims there are 100 each of sexual orientations and gender identities, the trans-queer industrial complex wants to disappear lesbians and gay men behind the hegemonic label "queer." I'm not having it, nor are millions of gay men and lesbians, especially those of us old enough to have been out in the 70s. We are here, yes, but we are NOT queer. Also, we do not "identify as" gay or lesbian. We ARE gay or lesbian.
As a former sissy boy who grew up to be a masculine gay man, I do NOT want to see gender nonconforming children who are very likely going to be gay or lesbian having their future sexuality sacrificed to the cult of gender identity. It makes me furious when those credulous and so very sincere trans allies work themselves into a lather over the fate of those poor "trans kids." It is the other way around. It's those of us in the LGB-without-the-T tribe who are heartbroken over the fate of sissies and tomboys who fall into the clutches of zealous trans allies.
Thank you!
The Trevor Project has some sort of algorithmic arrangement with Google. Any YouTube video that includes a discussion of "gender identity" in youth gets a nice little message right underneath to remind the viewer that "Conversion therapy refers to a range of dangerous and discredited practices aimed at changing one's sexual orientation or gender identity or expression." It's most visible in desktop. See Malcolm Clarke's recent interview with Andrew Gold for an example.
Oh wow. That is incredibly disturbing and not surprising. That ‘algorithmic arrangement’ is likely playing a very large role in spreading such bad information and social contagion. I hope that that gets revealed in and of itself as a scandal one day.
I already covered it in 2023. I'll do a new update sometime this year. https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/youtube-responds-to-critics-of-affirmation
I’ve noticed this.
I wish more people were open to listening to the truth, and accepting of the facts. Instead, they just block you.
Sometimes it seems that if the teens are so obsessed with the way they dress, their hair and makeup etc, they need to get a hobby, get their minds off of this subject. No wonder they are depressed. Imagine waking up every day knowing they have to dedicate a lot of time and energy to present themselves by looks, speech etc and that in the course of the day they will fail several times because they are pretending to be what they are not. The irony is that they have convinced themselves that the fake persona is who they really are. That is a living a lie.
When they are bullied by this choice to the point of suicidal thoughts, they could undo the whole sham by really being themselves, if they had the support they needed.
Oh man check out Turbans post today......egregious.
https://open.substack.com/pub/jackturban/p/the-american-psychiatric-association?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1ur2sq
The CDC link in Turbans article is rather disgusting. Written by Biden’s people.
Here is the passage. I commented on his post twice but he deleted my comment:
Turban: 'The company told its users (3 billion on Facebook alone) that bullying LGBT people is acceptable. Roughly 1:3 LGBT kids report being bullied in the past year. And this leads to dramatically elevated rates of suicide attempts. By normalizing bullying, Meta is ensuring that these suicidality rates intensify. And vulnerable kids and their families are going to pay the price.'
Good god.
Thank you for this well-written and well-researched piece. As someone who works in mental health, I'm dismayed to see activist groups use discussions of suicide for political gain. At the very least, it's crass and manipulative. Beyond that is the impact that the groups' messaging has on vulnerable young people. Essentially, what's being communicated is that if government passes any measures that can be perceived as "anti-trans", suicide should be a normal and expectable response. This results in these young people becoming more fragile, as they are led to believe that the world is against them and that they cannot withstand any setbacks or disappointments. Your points about resilience are particularly key here. The best way for these groups to help children is to encourage them to become MORE resilient, to give them a sense of efficacy in navigating challenges and disappointments.
"In August 2017, the Movement Advancement Project (MAP), a nonprofit think tank, published the second addition of its messaging guide, Talking About Suicide & LGBT"
I could've sworn the same indigo blob also told us MAP is acronym for "Minors Attracted Person".
I so appreciate the clarity and heartfelt exasperation with the coverage of this as click bait for organizations trying to raise funds for their own purposes.
The kids I know who have been lauded and affirmed over and over still ended up in the ER and psych ward over and over. It hasn’t fixed the underlying monster in the closet.
Not to be flippant, but we used to call it teen angst and listen to goth or metal bands and dye their black. The dye would wash out eventually, thought the music taste stuck.